Message #248

Date: Jan 02 2000 03:25:46 EST
From: Ron Wanttaja <ikvamar@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Tail Spring-E4340

[Answering mulitple messages in this one...]

stephen langford wrote:
> 
> FlyBaby
> 
> Yeah Ron, an inch and a quarter of anchor plate! HA! HA!
> I put my Fly speck in the wrong place!

Kinda what I figgered.  However, when I was looking into the Steve
Hinton accident, I talked to one local aircraft design engineer about
alternatives to the wing plates.  His eyes got to glowing, and he
started talking about how he could design a beautiful replacement for
the plates, that could either be cast out of molten steel, or machined
out of a 2" thick blank of steel.  Guys who normally use the facilities
of billion-dollar aircraft factories look at things differently than us
homebuilders do.... :-)

> As to the 5X500 wheels I have a pair of
> 380 X 150 /15 X600-5 tires to go on them.
> Do you thank that a 15" dia. tire will have enough shock absorbtion?

Well, I'm not that conversant with the actual types o'tires out there to
really be sure.  You just want the volume of air between the rim of the
wheel and the inside of the tire to be as big as possible.  In plain
English, you want a fat tire.

Back when I first started flying N500F, I looked at a local ATV shop to
see if I could come up with an alternative to the aircraft tire for
those 800x4 wheels.  Several of the tires looked like they might do the
job...unfortunately, none of them fit the wheels.  And their tread
designs were, ummm, "a little aggressive" for an airplane.

>Ron, I plan to put Fiberglass wheel pants on this Baby.

Go for it, dude!  I've seen several pictures of 'Babies with wheel
pants, and they look pretty snazzy.

>Ron, The 600 X 6 Cleveland wheels also present the same problem with
>bearing pre-load, except that they have 1.50 dia. bearings,  unless you
>know of another way to pre-load the taper bearings without using a
>threaded axle nut.
>How the heck does an original 800 X 4 wheel attach to the J-3 anyway?

I don't have too wide of experience with the aircraft wheels, but with
the two Fly Babies I've worked on, they didn't require any sort of
preload.  N500F had the Cub-type airwheels, and Moonraker has Goodmumble
wheels (can never remember if they're Goodyear or Goodrich...it's the
kind that's now rare and hard to find parts for).

Anyway, both aircraft had similar basic systems.  Starting from a bare
axle, the assembly sequence went like this:

1.  A steel collar slid over the axle.  This collar was about 1/4"
thick, and had three holes drilled and tapped for hex-head set screws. 
The collar was, essentially, a stop to position the wheel so the brakes
would interface properly.  Normally, I never took this collar off.

2.  A set of thin steel shims.

3.  The wheel.

4.  Another shim or two (based on what was there when I took the wheel
off).

5.  Another collar.  It's been a while, but I believe the collar is
identical to that on the inside...essentially a fat ring with set
screws.  Slide the collar on, shove everything tight against the inner
collar, then tighten the setscrews in the outer collar.

6.  There's a bolt that goes through the axle on the outside of the
collar.  Orginally on N500F, I believe this bolt originally went through
the outside collar instead of using the setscrews.  I suspect they
changed away from that setup as it was probably almost impossible to get
the exact combination of shims so that the wheel wouldn't have any play.

In any case, neither aircraft had any sort of way to apply pre-load. 
The bearings for both aircraft were the tapered type.  I took sequential
pictures of pulling one of my wheels off during an annual two years
back.  I even found the packet a week or so ago when I was cleaning my
office...but of course, I'll be durned if I can remember where I put
THAT particular packet of photos.  If I come across them, I'll add them
to the "detailed pictures" web page, and flag folks on this email list.

>Are you still there,Ron?

Where else would I be? :-)

Ron